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Monday, March 13, 2006

Spanking or Beating?

Proverbs 13:24
He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.

Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of discipline will drive it far from him.

John and I went to see his nephew Chad today. It is a very “iffy” time. Some kind of a sheath that covers the brain separated from the brain and if it does not re-attach, then there will be permanent damage. It has a 10% chance of re-attaching. Also, it is believed that he suffered a stroke during this event.

Nothing can be known about his prognosis until time passes.

He was sitting up in some contraption. He looked a lot better than last Sunday. His eyes opened and his mouth smiled. His eyes look very vacant. He is conscious, but with a tracheotomy, one cannot speak. He did seem like he was wanting to speak. However, his dad does not know whether he will be able to speak when the tracheotomy comes out. No one is able to tell him anything about the future of this 20 year old boy.

He will go to a place for respiratory therapy as soon as he is more stable. It is still unclear how his brain has fared. He will need to undergo tests etc… His dad said it is not even clear that he can see. (Maybe that explains the vacant look).

My husband, John, lamented the fact that his brother did not believe in spanking his children when they were young. He wept that Chad had to be beaten with guns. “Wouldn’t a spanking have been less painful?”

This is very hard for the Cole family. Please pray.

I have two ideas for new posts. I plan to do at least one early in the week. Please come back.


  • We're praying, Rose!

    We love you :)

    By Blogger H K Flynn, at 3/13/2006 12:19 AM  

  • Thanks for the update.

    Good point about spanking. I am glad my parents spanked me (not very often-I was very good).

    There is a powerful movement to ban spanking in Britain.

    I understand it is banned in some states over on your side.

    Every Blessing in Christ


    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 3/13/2006 4:12 AM  

  • thanks for the update on Chad,

    still praying

    God Bless!

    By Blogger jel, at 3/13/2006 7:14 AM  

  • I am so sorry about this situation. I will continue to pray.

    By Blogger bluecollar, at 3/13/2006 7:41 AM  

  • Hi Rose,

    Still praying for Chad.

    This reminds me of something the Lord once showed me through my own life, though you can easily find Scriptural examples of the same concept: "The depth of your calamity commends the greatness of My deliverance."

    If this is the Lord's plan with Chad, he will certainly have much to consider, in looking back on it all one day. This is a part of my prayers as well.


    By Blogger Cleopas, at 3/13/2006 9:17 AM  

  • Hi Rose
    Satan want us to think that we are bad parents because we spake our childern. He know that with out spaking our childern will do what they want.These are the same poeple that do not want to be accountable to a God when they grow up . So it is easier to say that there is no God.

    My heart goes out to them and my pray go up to God


    By Blogger forgiven, at 3/13/2006 9:21 AM  

  • Nice picture, Doug.

    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 3/13/2006 9:47 AM  

  • Thanks Jodie and Matthew ... thanks for the kindness and understanding. I love you too.

    Jel and bluecollar,
    Thank you for your prayers. It means quite a lot to John and me.

    Is that a literary quote or are those your own words?

    "The depth of your calamity commends the greatness of My deliverance."

    I hope, I pray that he will be in a place to have such a thought some day.

    Hi Doug,
    Yes, good picture!
    You are right. We must do the hard job of discipline in order to protect them. That is what spanking is all about: not abuse, but protection.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 3/13/2006 9:56 AM  

  • Hi Rose,
    While I don't know anything about Chad's upbringing, spanking was well utilized by my parents. I was relentless as a child and that is the only thing that would cause me to relent. I appreciate them very much for that. It's a touchy subject though. While I would recommend it when useful, alot of parents don't have the skills to do it the right way to get the positive result. Spanking is poorly reperesented, but banning it, as our social services has all but done, is only going to further betray the child, in my opinion.
    Kids need to understand that mom and dad, and all authority, stand for what is right and good (you would hope), and that the knowing defiance of them will result in immediate and earth-shaking consequences. So you did push a button of mine as I have some strong opinions on child discipline which promotes a child's freedom unencumbered by self-destructive behavior. Take care.


    By Blogger Todd, at 3/13/2006 10:16 AM  

  • I posted a request to our prayer partners and I'm sorry for not doing so earlier. We will continue to remember you all. May God have mercy.

    By Blogger Kc, at 3/13/2006 10:19 AM  

  • Still praying for all of you.

    By Blogger Gordon Cloud, at 3/13/2006 11:03 AM  

  • May God bless y'all. We will remember them in our prayers!

    God's Grace.

    By Blogger Corry, at 3/13/2006 11:29 AM  

  • Hi Rose,

    Wish I could say those were my words, but they came to me from the Lord, and they are His.

    I've never heard anyone else use those words, if that's what you mean. They're original in that sense.

    By Blogger Cleopas, at 3/13/2006 10:09 PM  

  • Thanks for your continued prayer everyone.

    By Anonymous j.Wendell, at 3/14/2006 6:13 AM  

  • Todd,
    Thank you so much. "Disobedience Hurts" That is what I tell my kids when I spank. It must be done correctly, like you said. I am glad you are thankful for your parents.

    kc and Corry,
    Thanks so much for your prayers and for adding us to your forum. you are both very kind. Thanks for the comments, too.

    Thanks, Gordon. Bless you.

    It is a great quote. I will remember it. Well, thank God.

    J. Wendell,
    I love you and I am sorry for the pain in your family.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 3/14/2006 11:24 AM  

  • Praying for this family at this difficult time.

    I must say that spanking has been a topic of interest within my circles for the past while. We have used spanking in our home and believe that it is Biblical and it has had good results. So much so that spanking is a rare occurance but still an option.

    I have run across Christians of various stripes who are spouting the same warcry as the world...spanking is wrong and they have gone as far to say that spanking is a tool of Satan. They call it Grace Based Discipline and it renounces any *punitive* type of discipline. They even say that *punishment* itself is wrong.

    I will look with interest at your upcoming posts.

    By Blogger the bishop's wife, at 3/16/2006 10:20 AM  

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