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Monday, February 27, 2006

anti-itch meditation: Theological Word Of Today

anti-itch meditation: Theological Word Of Today
Jeff of anti-itch meditation defines this word nicely.

It makes me sick that a Calvinist friend of mine who went to my church uses this word in a label to describe my beliefs in Christ's work on behalf of mankind. I am not Pelagian or Semi-Pelagian! If I must have a label, I think "Non-Calvinist" fits me better. *smiles*

26 Comments:

  • Amen, Rose! I think that both sides of the Calvinism/Arminian argument refuse to acknowledge that there is a large majority who are neither. I r wun of dem.

    By Blogger Gordon Cloud, at 2/27/2006 3:08 PM  

  • As Bobby Grow says, Semi-Augustinian would be a more accurate label than Semi-Pelagian.

    God Bless

    Matthew

    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 2/27/2006 4:20 PM  

  • I accepted my label. I am a believer. ;-)

    By Blogger Kc, at 2/27/2006 4:59 PM  

  • Yuk getting very tired of labels!

    By Blogger Dorothy, at 2/27/2006 6:01 PM  

  • I agree, Dorothy.

    Matthew, I can't access your blog. It's 6 PM over here... midnight where you are. You're probably asleep.

    By Blogger Carey, at 2/27/2006 7:03 PM  

  • Labels are good for bottles or cans..but they don't work well on people.

    By Blogger ambiance-five, at 2/27/2006 7:18 PM  

  • Doesn't it bug you to be labeled as something your not, though? That almost like me being called a non-Democrat.

    By Blogger Jonathan Moorhead, at 2/27/2006 9:01 PM  

  • KC, good point.

    By Blogger Carey, at 2/27/2006 10:41 PM  

  • Hi Gordon,
    It is interesting that you would say that. I am neither as well, but certain folks like to slap the Arminian label on me, too, as well as these others. Rubbish!

    DF,
    I still haven't gotten my arms around that one.

    Kc,
    Yes, I would call myself a Bible-believing, born-again believer. This is not enough for some.

    Hi Dorothy!
    Yuk, right!

    Hi Carey,
    Are you addicted to Matthew's blog? :~)

    Ambiance,
    That brings a smile that you say that. I once saw a comment by you on Pyromaniac to that effect and I thought it was perfect ... something about a can of soup. :~)God bless you sister.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 2/28/2006 8:14 AM  

  • Jonathan,
    If I was at a party and a lot of people were offereing me shots of whiskey, I would define myself by what I am not. I would put my hand up and say, "I don't drink."

    Even the great "LOVE" is described much by what it is not. (See 1 Cor. 13) :~)

    By Blogger Rose~, at 2/28/2006 8:22 AM  

  • Hi Rose~

    I think accurate labels are good! Sometimes labels cut right to the issue. If one claims to be a Calvinist, it is a sure bet that that one is claiming to line up with much of Calvin's philosophy or theology. Others, unlike you, my love, may be more reserved about this or that label, at the same time holding other lables true and accurate. For example see this short post. It is one of my better reads, IMHO. ;~)

    brother John

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 2/28/2006 9:36 AM  

  • It doesn't matter what the label says, however, if the bottle is empty.

    By Blogger Gordon Cloud, at 2/28/2006 10:51 AM  

  • Rose I appreciate your viewpoint on many issues. Even if you are from Ohio :)

    Living in Grand Rapids has been an eye-opening experience. Every church...or so it seems...is reformed, Calvinistic in some regard. It's difficult to avoid being labeled and it's just as difficult to avoid labeling.

    2 Peter 3: 17,18
    17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

    In Christ,
    Ten Cent

    By Blogger nothingnothingnothing, at 2/28/2006 11:22 AM  

  • How could anyone be addicted to my blog?

    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 2/28/2006 1:15 PM  

  • Is an addiction described as having to visit everyday? If so then I would count too!

    By Blogger Dorothy, at 2/28/2006 3:42 PM  

  • That is nice, Dorothy. Maybe I am addicted to your blog too, then. I am definitely addicted to Rose's Reasonings if that is so.

    God Bless

    Matthew

    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 2/28/2006 5:18 PM  

  • You know, it's kind of funny but I haven't really heard anyone yet promote the Arminian teachings in their entirety. Is that perhaps a straw man for the Calvinistic debate?

    Are there any Arminians out there?

    By Blogger Jim, at 2/28/2006 5:38 PM  

  • Your sweet!

    By Blogger Dorothy, at 2/28/2006 6:18 PM  

  • Rose,

    If "semi-pelagian" means that I propose that eternal life is received by the intermediate agency and instrumentality of faith alone in Jesus alone, I would proudly wear such a label.

    I think in this matter that Paul, Jesus, and the apostles would qualify as un-reconstructed semi-pelagians.

    But seeing that it is a "theological cuss word" used to bludgeon the non-Calvinist, and has the connotation that the adherent to such believes that he can extort salvation from God by his whim, I will not give the pro-Calvinist the pleasure of accepting this label.

    Antonio

    By Blogger Antonio, at 2/28/2006 7:15 PM  

  • Rose, I am not sure what you mean by "addicted".... *scratches head* Is there some underlying purpose or statement to this question?

    By Blogger Carey, at 2/28/2006 7:52 PM  

  • Hi Rose, If I'm feeling generous I don't care about Calvinists labeling me Arminian or semi-Palagian. But I do often resent the innaccuracy of it, since I'm the opposite of those terms, simply not meeting strict Calvinist eccentric standards.

    jodie :)

    By Blogger H K Flynn, at 2/28/2006 8:25 PM  

  • Also, Rose, my understanding (based on a journal article I've read) is that Augustine was not very influential during his lifetime. Most rejected or ignored his ideas. Someone named Faustus of Riez firmly rejected both Palagius' and Augustine's ideas about salvation. Faustus believed grace was not imposed and double predestination was way too much like the Pagan idea of fate.

    Also the Council of Valence rejected double predestination!

    Lost in the mists of time, I guess:)

    By Blogger H K Flynn, at 2/28/2006 8:35 PM  

  • Thanks, JW, you labelite!

    Ten Cent,
    That must be something to be surrounded by so many reformed and Calvinistic. I know, because that is what it is like for me at work and church. (same thing for me) Maybe you don't mind, though, if you go along with the teachings.
    Thanks for the verses. :~)

    Matthew,
    Your blog is great! It is very active and you have fun commenters. I go there at least once a day, like your other readers.

    Carey,
    See the comment to Matthew above. :~) :~) :~)

    Hi Jim,
    That is a very good point! The only blogger I ever read who said they were Arminian was Bonnie Calhoun, I believe. Gordon has a link to her on his blog, I think.

    Hi Antonio,
    I read where Daniel of Doulogos said that "Lordship Salvation" is a "theological cuss word". I think we are not the only ones offended by labels like these.

    Hi Jodie,
    See, I knew you were smart!

    By Blogger Rose~, at 2/28/2006 11:41 PM  

  • Well, the Methodists have mostly gone liberal and so would ignore blogs liek this.

    The most conservative Arminains would mostly be Pentecostal. They tend not to be as literate and intellectual as other Evangelicals, so you wont find loads of Pentecostal bloggers.

    Calvinists on the other hand, tend to be quite intellectual and highly literate, which explains the multitude of Calvinist blogs.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 3/01/2006 1:19 PM  

  • Rose,

    in all reality,

    it was John MacArthur who came up with that word.

    So Daniel must go speak to his own people who coined the term for themselves.

    I heard Daniel say what he said and it made me chuckle.

    Antonio

    By Blogger Antonio, at 3/01/2006 8:34 PM  

  • I know this is an old post, but regarding Pentecostal bloggers, you'll find a diverse and literate bunch listed at my site, if you'd like to browse them:

    PneumaBlogs: Select Pentecostal and Charismatic Bloggers

    I like to think I can string a sentence or two together, now and then, but experience often proves me wrong. Sadly.

    Regards,

    Rich.
    BlogRodent

    By Blogger Rich Tatum, at 4/07/2007 7:49 AM  

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