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Thursday, November 06, 2008

YouTube - Some Thoughts on Obama's Win from one of his Supporters

YouTube - A Young woman's thoughts on Obama's Win

Truly, truly amazing!! I am so glad this election is over. I have many thoughts but am not sure that I want to write them out or that I should.

I just couldn't resist sharing this video with my readers.

Maybe I will put forth some of my thoughts on Sarah Palin, McCain as a candidate, his staffers and the blame game. Or maybe I should just write an article about John chapter 8. I can't decide which way to go when I get the time.


  • Good afternoon, Rose!

    Now, please tell me that you have a clearer understanding of what this woman is trying to say than the commentator on that video?

    Even though I don't feel the same way as Ms. Joseph, we all know she means she feels more confident in the economy and will not worry as much.

    I watched politicians playing this game for far too long, we average Joe's & Jane's shouldn't perpetuate it.

    We should not discredit this woman's joy and hope for her poor choice of words.

    By Blogger Another Voice, at 11/06/2008 1:10 PM  

  • Hi Missy,
    You and I do think alike, as you said the other day, for I did have that thought the first time i listened to the woman's remarks. The second time, though, I noticed how she ended her comment: "I did something for him and now he is going to do something for me." I just can't help but think that this is a very absurd thing for her to say and that it reveals that she thinks she is going to get a check or a reduction in her payroll taxes... something that is going to be a "handout" from Obama.

    With that ending remark, don't you think she is talking about a payroll tax deduction or some kind of a governement-manadated raise in her take-home pay? I can't imagine that she possibly meant that Obama is going to "fix the economy" of the US and therefore she is going to benefit.

    Do you see what I am saying?

    BTW - the more I think about it, I see a silver lining to all of this. And... I am not bitter at the Obama supporters by any means. I think many people have listened to a man with great swelling words and they were swayed by his incredibly powerful persona. It happens.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/06/2008 2:56 PM  

  • Hi, Rose.

    I do understand what you mean. And I totally agree with your BTW statement! However, I think by that last sentence, Ms. Joseph is saying what so many of Obama's supporters are thinking - "I've supported him with my praise and with my vote, now Obama will save ME." I don't think she really has any clue how he will save her, because her hope was in the man - perhaps in the swelling speech, but primarily in the man himself. I think she truly believes he will save her from her troubles.

    I do find this sad. I hope President-Elect Obama turns out to be the incredible leader many are expecting, but there is no man on earth that can take away our troubles. We all know who to rely on for that. ;)

    But I suspect, once the celebration ends, those like Ms. Joseph will come to their senses. I do pray they stay hopeful, though.

    By Blogger Another Voice, at 11/06/2008 4:13 PM  

  • Hi Rose,

    ...but of course!

    Most people that I have seen and talked to, black and white, act like they have just won some prize package, and now he owes them personally. That is a sad testimony to how most people think the policies of this country is run. You know the type of thinking, "the day after he is sworn in, of course everything thing will change."

    I think this post of yours is a very deep and thought provoking one.

    By Blogger Gojira, at 11/06/2008 5:20 PM  

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    By Blogger Gojira, at 11/06/2008 5:20 PM  

  • Hi Rose,
    I think I have to agree with Missy. At least I want to give this woman who is raising her kids the benefit of the doubt. At least she has a mortgage and car she is worried about, to me that is pretty telling of what she actually meant with her words.

    Now I do believe he is just smooth talking man who can inspire with words. He is one of worst enemies the unborn could have as President, I fear for the "change" that may take place.


    By Blogger Kris, at 11/06/2008 5:33 PM  

  • Hmmmmm....come to think of it, it will all change about two days after congress approves the new changes....LOLOLOLOLOL just kidding, but a scary thought.

    By the way, thank you for the email you sent in return. I shall reply to it.

    By Blogger Gojira, at 11/06/2008 6:07 PM  

  • You know you can post the video itself to your blog by pasting the embed code?

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at 11/07/2008 5:55 PM  

  • Let us remember to pray for the dwindling number of conservatives in congress who oppose the assaults that Obama will make on life(abortion), liberty (more government regulation of our lives), and the pursuit of happiness (less economic freedom). Pray that God would bless them and give them the courage and strength to oppose these ungodly and unrighteours polices.

    By Blogger jazzycat, at 11/07/2008 10:01 PM  

  • Wayne
    "and the pursuit of happiness (less economic freedom)."

    Do people feel happy when they suffer toothache because they can't afford dental care?

    Maybe if they had a bit less economic freedom and had access to dental care they might just suffer a bit less pain.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at 11/08/2008 7:47 AM  

  • Matthew,
    When economic freedom erodes, access to dental care declines. Economic freedom does no harm to the poor and in fact elevates the poor. There are many totalitarian socialist governments where you would be out of luck if you had a bad toothache. In America everyone with a toothache can find health care whether they are poor or not.

    While many in America who proclaim we need economic justice through socialism fail to see that this comes at the expense of economic freedom which is the engine that drives prospertity in the first place. Kill the golden goose and there are no more golden eggs for anyone. The "justice" you get results in spreading the misery around equally. I guess this is justice in a sense, but it is not Biblical!

    By Blogger jazzycat, at 11/08/2008 9:31 AM  

  • It is amazing how narcissistic we are. It's amazing that people can be so duped, and place morality to the side, as long as "I" am satisfied. This attitude is w/o a doubt was is taken us down, right now. It's what is going to lead us to our own destruction, apparently very soon. We have leaders, and most citizens, who can't imagine that greed and self-satisfaction could actually take us down as a country (even world, at this point). But in fact, that is exactly what is happening. We are going to bail-out everybody, with no collateral. We are going to print more money, and "say" it has value. This ladies' attitude illustrates the crux of our national problem; it's solipsism . . . we have hid the ice-berg, and no matter how loud we have the orchestra play, the reality is that we are quickly sinking. Lord come quickly!

    By Anonymous http://theologyofbobby.wordpress.com, at 11/08/2008 9:49 PM  

  • Woops I messed up on my name and link info. Here it is again.

    By Anonymous bobby grow, at 11/08/2008 9:51 PM  

  • Wayne, so no American would ever have to make a choice between paying the rent and going to the dentist?

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at 11/09/2008 4:21 AM  

  • Matthew,
    The thinking that health care is a right is an illusion. It cannot be guaranteed by government any more than food which is much more basic.

    Such folly may work for a little while, but when tax consumers overwhelm those who pay taxes, then the engine goes dead and rationing begins. Have you seen any rationing in your country?

    Refer to Bobby's excellent comment...........

    By Blogger jazzycat, at 11/09/2008 8:27 AM  

  • Hi Rose,

    Sorry this is a bit off subject (understatement of the year) but any one heard anything from/about VA Susan?


    By Blogger GOODNIGHTSAFEHOME, at 11/09/2008 3:31 PM  

  • Colin,
    I exchanged a couple of emails with her about one month ago and she said she was 6 months along and doing great.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/10/2008 7:43 AM  

  • Gojira,
    Thanks for the visit. I have been utterly consumed with yardwork and housework for the last days and had no time to blog, but I did read your comment when it came in. I chuckled when you said "this was a very deep and thought-provoking post." haha I then read my post and it really had nothing to say at all. haha
    Maybe you were referring to one of the comments? I don't know, but that made me laugh. Thanks for the visit!

    I agree with Missy that these people are viewing him as some kind of a savior from all of their problems.

    Some commentator took note of the fact that in his victory speech, he immediately tried to lower expectations. Wise of him to do. He knows he is no Messiah.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/10/2008 7:47 AM  

  • Kris,
    Indeed. At least she has a mortgage and a car.
    The worst part of his being elected is what it will do to the supreme court. We will not see Roe vs. Wade overturned in our lifetime now. It doesn't seem possible. Instead, we can look forward to a "Freedom of Choice" act or some such wickedness which will probably further draw the wrath of God upon our nation.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/10/2008 7:50 AM  

  • Bobby,
    Good to see you.
    Yes! I have noticed this so much. Even my Christian neighbors, when choocing a candidate, they always want to know who is going to benefit their "pocketbook." They seem to have no regard for the right/wrong issues in these decisions. It amazes me. (and actually, they are duped aboutt he benefit that they think will come to their pocketbook - the just do what their union tells them.)

    I empathise with your bleak outlook. I only hope that some advisor somewhere will prevent a full-blown destruction of common sense government.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/10/2008 7:53 AM  

  • Matthew,
    You are so liberal. :~)

    I see it Jazzy's way. Healthcare is not a right. But really, anyone who can't afford some necessary care can walk into any hospital and has to be taken care of by that hospital free of charge. This is available for people who have no money.

    I think the bigger problem is that when people get these costly treatments that are available nowadays for illnesses and conditions, they end up paying for them for a long time. In some cases it wipes out their savings. This seems like a crime to some people. "Why should anyone have to give up everything they own to be healthy?" But the fact is, if the treatment wasn't available, they would have to suffer or die. So then isn't it worth it to pay for a wile for this treatment? Sure it costs a lot, but it saved their life. I think it is odd that someone receives treatment that saves their life or improves their health greatly and then they complain that they have to pay for it. I hope I wouldn't do that and that I would be able to keep things in perspective and be thankful for the doctors and the research that made such things possible.

    I think healthcare costs are rising because heathcare has made such progress and people are getting costly and advanced treatment a lot more often. It has to cost someone something!

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/10/2008 8:00 AM  

  • "I think healthcare costs are rising because heathcare has made such progress and people are getting costly and advanced treatment a lot more often. It has to cost someone something!"

    I agree with all that you and Wayne have stated, however, I do believe that healthcare costs are unnecessarily exhorbitant and we desperately need healthcare/insurance reform. No one should have to go bankrupt over receiving adequate healthcare.

    By Blogger Dawn, at 11/10/2008 1:28 PM  

  • oops! that should be "exorbitant" and not "exhorbitant."

    By Blogger Dawn, at 11/10/2008 1:29 PM  

  • Hi Rose,

    Did you see Sarah Palin interviewed last night by Greta V (not sure of spelling) on Fox? It was very good. I would like to see the other "drive by" news media do an interview like that. Here's what especially caught my attention. Greta asked her about running for President in 2012, and she answered going straight to her faith. She said that she ALWAYS PRAYS that she won't miss an open door that her Creator is opening for her. She said that sometimes she plows through maybe too soon but it's because she doesn't want to miss any opening that God is giving her.... whatever that might be. (That was paraphrased.)
    Kind of neat, huh!!!


    By Blogger Diane, at 11/11/2008 11:28 AM  

  • Dan 2:21 "It is He who changes the times and the epochs; He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge to men of understanding.

    Rom 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

    1 Tim. 2:2,3 Pray "for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior" .

    Hi all. I'm back after a tiring debate on the forum I'm a member of. Thanks to the great resources available at GES and here, I was able to defend the Free Grace position. The objections given was that Free Grace was too easy: now where have we heard that before? Oh! Yes! It was in connection with the objections that the world has to the Christian Gospel!

    I've been meaning to contribute a few thoughts on politics and maybe this is as good a time as any to do so. Suppose a political party defends the right ot drinking and gambling (I won't use the Abortion issue, as the discussion can become heated) and it is an issue that is opposed by the other party.

    1) The side that wins does so because GOD gives it the mandate.

    2) The government formed will ALWAYS give priority to "tranquility and quiet". Any government indulging in adventurism (like Saddam's) will be removed by God.

    3) Groups protesting drinking and gambling would find themselves in the strange position of being evil-doers, because the government

    "is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil" (Rom. 13:4).

    Past experience has shown that such protests that have been acted on by the government have lead to moves that DROVE the activities UNDEGROUND, with terrible consequences.

    I think that we must understand that the authorities have different priorities from believers. They use different parameters to gauge their own effectiveness. Peace and quiet they can achieve. Holiness is a different kettle of fish. Expecting them to be the Moral Police for the country is unrealistic, considering the resources they have and their own weaknesses: only God can do that job.

    And He does it by persuasion and by example.

    And He expects His people to do it similarly.

    Instead of protesting for the abolition of immorality, (which are the symptons) we should be working at changing the hearts of those who practise it. And only the Gospel can do it. Through preaching and practice.

    Matthew 7:17 “So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.

    BTW, I've seen the health care system on both sides of the pond. I think the UK system is better. Instead of contracting out the service to the lowest bidder, the British ramp it up when the times are good and scale down the aid when the economy is lean (got to admit, though, that it's more the latter latterly).


    By Blogger anton, at 11/11/2008 1:26 PM  

  • I don't understand why Christians think the government will be "better," if Christians run the "White House." Would you say that is the case now? Of course, I guess the argument, in response could be, that it certainly could be worse (i.e. the "lesser of two evils").

    I guess the irony of such thinking is that, theologically, it fits much better with a postmilleniarian perspective of the world (i.e. that the world will be "Christianized" presenting a "Golden Age" which will trigger the second coming of Christ). I say this is ironic, because most people who seem to have this sentiment are Dispensational Premilleniarians. I thought dispys believed that the world would get "worse and worse" and that there would be "great apostasy" which would finally lead to the coming of the LORD.

    In fact I think the argument can be made, that mixing the "Church" and thus "Gospel" with politics actually can have a detrimental effect on the Gospel. I.e. the gospel becomes associated with certain geo-political/domestic policies so that it is no longer really the gospel. I think this back-lash is being realized right now in America.

    Sorry for the ramble.

    By Anonymous bobby grow, at 11/11/2008 6:14 PM  

  • Bobby,
    Do I detect an uncharacteristic amount of cynicism from you lately?

    I think people like the idea of born again Christian leaders because we are born again Chirstians and we feel like then our concerns might be shared by our leader. I think that is just a natural desire of every citizen.

    I don't think it has a lot to do with a motivation such as "If we have a Christian president then everything is going to be OK" or "If we have a Christian senator then God might postpone hisplan for Armageddon" or anything like that. None of knows the hour and the day and as a PRACTICAL desire, we want godly leaders. Does that make any sense?

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/14/2008 4:45 PM  

  • Diane,
    I *did* see that interview and I really enjoyed it. I like this lady!

    I think she embodies the pro-life movement. That must be why liberal women don't like her - she actually HAS CARRIED out the principles of pro-life by having a child that most of them might have considered a throw-away.

    I think that is one reason why I find her so compelling. Just one reason.

    God bless.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/14/2008 4:55 PM  

  • Bobby,
    Why do you say that having religion as a influence in politics is having a backlas?. Help me understand what you mean.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/14/2008 4:56 PM  

  • Dawn,
    Thanks for your visit and your comment.

    You too! :~)

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/14/2008 4:57 PM  

  • Sorry I neglected this area for so long! I meant to say these things a week ago.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 11/14/2008 4:58 PM  

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