Let's be reasonable with one another, shall we?

Wednesday, December 26, 2007

I have been BLOCKED

I have closed down comments on this post for personal reasons.

Lou Martuneac has blocked two of my comments from his blog. I have never had any comment blocked or deleted from any blog ever, as far as I can remember. It really surprised me. This may seem senseless to most of you, but I am going to post the comments that were blocked. I just don't like the way he made it seem like I said something really terrible.

First, I asked Lou if he was praying for the latest person that he is attacking on his blog, Jeremy Myers. He says to me:

Jeremy is one your “friends.” Have you called or e-mailed him to question where he is headed? Have you?

So I left him two comments to answer his objection to my question about praying for him. Here is what Lou said to me:

Rose: You have more than once posted comments to me that had all the appearance of an ulterior motive...

And with those and more words, he blocked my two comments. He went on to describe me as a "New Evangelical" who doesn't care about sound doctrine and whose former pastor, Earnest Pickering, would be ashamed of. He makes it sound like I have said some really controversial things and he will not let them post on his blog. He says I am "disingenuous" and "trying to demonize him (Lou)." He accuses me of "overlooking" what he calls "false doctrine." (Ask Antonio and Matthew if I "overlook" our disagreements)

So then, I left him this comment:

Lou, I am amazed that you won't post either of those comments! What was offensive in them? I am stating that I am *not* Jeremy's friend. I am Antonio's friend and Matthew's, in that you are correct. I am becoming concerned over your motivation, here, brother, that you would attack me like this and then not let my comment of explanation come through. What gives? Should I open a post at my blog with the two comments that you wouldn't let through to show anyone who may visit yours just how "motivated" you are to paint a wrong picture of me, Lou? I will see what you will do - I will give you a couple of hours to decide.

So then, he let's that one go through and says:

I posted that one so my guests to see you giving me a two-hour ultimatum. I am NOT going to publish your two comments here. Go ahead and post the comments I rejected. Where is your sense of outrage when da Rosa blocks comments? Where is the outrage when da Rosa blocks, edits and then replies to his twisted version of the original comment so that he can refute it (like he did to Stephen a few weeks ago)?

Am I supposed to know everything that goes on on every blog? I do not know what he is talking about. I have never had any comment blocked by anyone anywhere. So I have never been outraged by this sort of thing. I am not waiting the two hours because he made it clear that he didn't care anyway. I suppose he will call me a promise-breaker for that.

Here are the two comments that were so terrible that I was BLOCKED (shock, outrage) from Lou Martuneac's blog comments:

I am not Jeremy’s friend. I have not ever commented on his blog, nor has he ever commented on mine, to my knowledge. I have never emailed him, nor have I ever received an email from him.

Lou, you said: "Furthermore, you are well aware that Jeremy blocks me and select others from his and any GES blogs. I have also e-mailed him at least 5+ times on previous issues, and have not received any reply."

I am *not* aware of that. How would I be? I do not frequent the GES blog.
I am glad that you are praying for him.

Another thing - how do you even know what I think of Jeremy’s declarations? For all you know, I may, like you, believe that he is sliding into fatal doctrinal meltdown. I have not said. I have not commented on his post.

In your last few comments about me, you are all wrong about me.

Lou, you said: "Let’s all get along at the expense of Scripture is your cry."


Lou, you also said: "You view those of us who follow the biblical mandates to contend for the faith (Jude 3), mark and avoid (Rom. 16:17) the teachers of false doctrine as trouble makers."


Lou, You obviously don’t understand me, but
then, why should I be surprised?


I am so controversial... and New Evangelical. (Don't tell my husband - "the Earnest Contender" hehe)

Lou, if you happen to read this, I want you to know, I am not mad at you. I appreciate the education. Now I have just a small measure of understanding of how the others feel who you have attacked. I also want you to know that I will not prevent you from posting tasteful comments here on this blog too. You can even disagree with me - or question my sincerity; I will not turn on comment moderation for you. You are always welcome here. After all, I am a NEW EVANGELICAL, according to you, right? So I wouldn't block a divisive guy like you, either, would I? :~) Happy New Year.


  • Rose -

    You are among the most reasonable in the blogosphere. I will pray for Lou, Greg, Tom, JP and Dennis that they take a page from your book so as not to create a site that is read, critiqued and understood only by themselves. I have no doubt that they are brothers in Christ but there interaction and animosity is not honoring our Lord.

    I'm praying for myself as well...:)

    This post truly shows your heart - if you are a "New Evangelical" - I want to be one too!

    In Christ,


    By Blogger Jon Lee, at 12/26/2007 3:17 PM  

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    By Blogger David Wyatt, at 12/26/2007 9:56 PM  

  • I just want you to know, & the blogosphere to know (I trust that you do already) that you are a friend to fundamental believers in Christ. A genuine fundamentalist without the fight mentality that is constantly looking for something to attack. Thank you for that. Though you do courageously speak up for truth & against error, that is not your normal modus operandi. IOW, you are not constantly seeking someone or something to destroy through guilt by association. In short (unfortunately I'm already going too long for that!) you are balanced as a believer. Thank you for caring about balance in the Christian life & being Scripural rather than dogmatic. I can see why you've never been blocked. Thank you for not always & forever ("rarely" is more truly the right word) questioning your readers' motives. You are a blessing to me. It is good to be at your blog where you don't have to watch every word because we can trust your character in Christ & you trust ours because we have interacted enough to know. I was surprised at bro. Lou's mistreatment of you & mischaracterization of you, not least of all because you are a Christian lady. OK, I've said too much. I've already re-posted becuase I was not as charitable as I should have been. I appreciate prayers for myself as well!

    By Blogger David Wyatt, at 12/26/2007 10:02 PM  

  • Lou was mean to you, Rose.

    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 12/27/2007 6:09 AM  

  • Hi Rose
    I do read your blog Rosie. I just don't take time to comment on every post, but guess what? I found out! I am experiencing controlled indignation; I am feeling incensed, yet remaining calmly outraged.

    It may help Mr. Martuneac to know that you have helped me obtain, chronicle, and archive over six hundred hours (and still counting) of the man we (Rose and me) both admire and respect as a stalwart fundamentalist, the late Dr. Ernest Pickering. It may also surprise Mr. Martuneac to know that being mentored by this honorable man of “the faith” we have found his humor and wit both in his speaking ministry and personally to be most respectful and delightful, much of which you have adopted and model. Mr. Martuneac may also be interested to know that He is not the only one who has an ax to grind in the shaping and development of dispensational fundamentalism, and that no two fundamentalists are alike. He could read the last chapter of Biblical Separation to gain a balanced understanding of this phenomenon. I don’t think Mr. Martuneac or anyone else in blogdom needs to know the work you are currently involved in in supporting the separatist position of others. Mr. Martuneac may need to remember that a blog is a blog, not a church. We are friends that invite others into our world of opinions and ideas.

    Rose, I am sorry when you face some who don’t understand you, your humor, or your solid biblical position. I am sorry you are not treated with the same respect with which you treat others, especially by those who fail to look well into a matter.

    I am not asshamed of you at all. I am proud to be your husband and friend for life.

    Your brother and fellow in "the faith",



    "The loving person is a person who abhors waste— waste of time, waste of human potential. How much time we waste. As if we were going to live forever."

    — Leo Buscaglia (was an inspirational author and professor)

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 12/27/2007 9:18 AM  

  • TO ALL:
    Brian Hedrick "BHEDR" made comment on Lou's blog that reminded me that I forgot about something. I was delelted from Bhedr's blog in an incident years ago. I had honestly forgotten about it (thankfully, but alas, now I remember).

    So, I left Lou this comment. I don't know if he will let it publish or not, but here it is:


    Bhedr is right. He did, a long time ago, delete some of my comments. I forgot all about that incident. (It was an honest ommission.)

    I am figuring that you won't publish this comment, but I just want to tell you that I really mean you no trouble. I only made the post at my blog because I felt like you were giving the impression that I said something terrible. See ya.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 12/27/2007 9:35 AM  

  • Jon Lee and DAvid Wyatt,
    Thanks for the votes of confidence. I really appreciate you guys too. I can tell you both place a premium on nice-ness. :~)

    I just felt the need to make sure that it didn't seem like I said something really terrible. I am glad you understand.

    J. Wendell,
    Thank you for the vote of confidence. I know you understand.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 12/27/2007 9:38 AM  

  • Rose, I always knew you had ulterior motives in your comments and posts. ;)

    Seriously though, there are certain people that I just avoid because they seem to enjoy being contentious. Some of these debates have become so fickle and narrow that I see NO redemptive qualities in them at all.

    It is then we must re-evaluate our priorities and choose to walk away from certain discussions.

    By Blogger Jim, at 12/27/2007 12:41 PM  

  • you have my vote also Rose.

    Just a side note concerning Lou, I actually defended him once when I thought Antonio was too harsh in responding to him. I like Antonio alot though. But in my efforts to defend Lou I found myself defending myself against LOU! What a trip.

    Also, J. Wendell, your comment here is very admirable. What grace seasoned with salt. You are great role model.

    By Blogger Kris, at 12/27/2007 6:13 PM  

  • Hi Rose
    I'm not really surprised at all by Lou. Just by the way he has spoken about Zane Hodges who Lou could learn allot about humility from.
    Rose, you have been very respectful and curitus to Lou, but at the same time have been firm in your beliefs. You have a great balance we can all learn from. I'm proud to call you my friend. Your one the most kind people in the blogosphere.
    blessings alvin

    By Blogger alvin, at 12/27/2007 6:15 PM  

  • Jim,
    Yeah, that's me. I am devious and manipulative with a cloak and dagger. :~)
    You are right, though. There are definitly certain debates... and debate forums... and debaters that we need to walk away from. Each must judge for him/herself.

    Hi Kris,
    Thanks. Yeah, I bet that was a trip. I can imagine how it went. J. Wendell is an alright guy. ;~)

    Hi Alvin,
    Thanks for calling me a friend. I appreciate that. Thanks also for saying that I am kind. I do try to be. If someone were to imagine that I sport a cloak and dagger, they would have the wrong woman. It is just nice to know that people get that, most of them anyway. So thanks for the comment.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 12/28/2007 9:04 AM  

  • I'm really surprised at Lou doing this! You're one of the kindest and most reasonable people in the blogosphere! It is a sad fact of life that some people however, will try to pick a fight with anyone they come across.

    God bless you Rose,

    By Blogger Andrew, at 12/28/2007 3:08 PM  

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