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Monday, January 11, 2010

The Doctrine of Faith « Wisdom and Knowledge

The Doctrine of Faith « Wisdom and Knowledge

Glenn W. has dedicated a post to me on his blog. How nice!


  • I hope you and your readers find it interesting.


    By Anonymous Glenn_W, at 1/11/2010 8:45 PM  

  • Did I read this correctly, the object of faith is bible doctrine? Please tell me that I misread that statement.
    We walk by faith and not by sight. I agree with that statement. That statement was made to Jews who needed signs for proof.
    The object of my faith is Jesus Christ who died for the sins of mankind. Believing in his finished work that provides justification, sanctification, propitiation and salvation. I think any one who hears and believes, doesn't need bible doctrine to be saved by the finished work on the cross. Especially christians who can't read or write.

    By Blogger heavenbound, at 1/13/2010 12:45 AM  

  • Hi Rose, that was a good read!

    "The object of my faith is Jesus Christ who died for the sins of mankind, believing in his finished work that provides justification, sanctification, propitiation and salvation." I say, A-men!

    I think the article begins by stating, “Faith is given substance only by its object. Faith is “saving faith” only when it is in the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ on cross.”

    F. 3. States, “However, the tiniest bit of faith in Christ secures eternal salvation. It only takes a little more faith than no faith at all. It is the object of faith that counts, not the worthiness of the one with faith.”

    F. 5. “For salvation the object of faith is Jesus Christ. For maturity the object of faith is Bible doctrine.”

    A concluding paragraph says with perspicuity “Therefore, the answer to the question, “What must I do to be saved?” is always and ever no more nor less than the stunning but simple truth: “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.” (Acts 16:31)”

    All of which are teachings, or doctrines found in the Bible, no?

    Perspective, I'm just sayin...

    By Blogger J. Wendell, at 1/14/2010 6:46 AM  

  • Heavenbound,

    Here is the full quote that you object to:

    In the Christian way of life, the object of faith is Bible doctrine. This includes both doctrine in perception and in application. Bible doctrine is invisible. Faith is confidence in the unseen. Bible doctrine must be transferred to our soul by means of faith.

    The context of this point is the post salvation experience of the believer. This is not talking about eternal salvation.

    Back at the top of the doctrine the three systems of human perception are listed: faith, rationalism, and empiricism. The only one that does not involve merit is faith. It is because of the non-meritorious nature of faith that we are saved. It is also by the non-meritorious nature of faith that we grow up as Christians.

    The point that is being made is that we grow spiritually by faith. Does anyone here believe that they have grown spiritually because of how smart they are or how hard they work?


    By Anonymous Glenn_W, at 1/14/2010 1:19 PM  

  • glenn: You made some very good points. From a personal point I really don't think bible doctrine is very important in the salvation of a person or his walk of faith. Think about all the Christians that accepted what Christ did, for the centuries before there was a church doctrine or bible doctrine for that matter. Doctrine clouds the issue for the believer. I do attend a non denominational church. Being berean is very important to me as an issue. Dispensationalism is the basis for my studies.

    By Blogger heavenbound, at 1/16/2010 12:59 AM  

  • I would like to pose this question. Has the age of grace put an end to the prophetic program? You might ask where in the world did that come from.
    I have been reading and studying the book of Revelation. The apostle John states in the last chapter,
    22:7 Behold I come quickly
    22:10 For the time is at hand
    22:12 Behold I come Quickly
    22:20 Surely I come quickly
    Well if I told you any of these statements wouldn't you assume it was going to be immediate. Can you find any where in Revelation about the destruction of the temple that took place in 70 A.D.
    Now looking at what John the Baptist was announcing "the kingdom of God is at hand"
    and with what Revelation is saying in the last chapter, this return is shaping up to take place in their midst.

    By Blogger heavenbound, at 1/16/2010 11:32 AM  

  • Heavenbound,

    There is still prophecy to be fulfilled. Most Christians believe this except for those who are full preterists.

    I am not sure what information you are looking for but if you would like a good commentary that holds to a pre-millenial rapture then I would recommend "A Testimony of Jesus Christ" which is available online (follow the link). The passages you list deal with what is called the imminency of the rapture. The verse by verse commentary on Revelation chapter 20 can be found here.


    By Anonymous Glenn_W, at 1/18/2010 3:52 PM  

  • Hi Rose

    Glenn, maybe I can save you and Heavenbound some energy. I think he probably has a completely different view of Biblical authority than you and without that commonality it's hard for the two of you to get anywhere doctrinally. You can see the discussion on the Nov 17 post on his blog.

    By Blogger David Bell, at 1/18/2010 8:55 PM  

  • David,

    Many thanks for the heads up!


    By Anonymous Glenn_W, at 1/19/2010 11:07 AM  

  • spammers!!!!!!
    hey - thanks y'all for your discussion.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 1/29/2010 7:12 PM  

  • sorry about the spammers, people.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 2/19/2010 3:41 PM  

  • more spam, sorry again.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 2/20/2010 8:52 AM  

  • Hi Rose. Just popping in to say hello. Hope all is well with you and yours.

    God Bless,

    By Blogger Dawn, at 4/02/2010 11:09 PM  

  • Hi Rose,

    I see you've slowed down on your blogging. Well, I just stopped by to let you know I'm blogging again, at least for a little while. If you have time, drop by my blog.

    Here's where I am: theoxpeckerchronicle.blogspot.com

    Have a good one!


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5/25/2010 9:02 PM  

  • Dawn and TJ,
    Thank you for stopping in. I am taking a break from blogging, but I appreciate your greetings. I am not closing this blog because I do believe I will get back at it one of these days.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/26/2010 11:28 AM  

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