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Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Unashamed of Grace

Escalation and Rhetoric

My thoughts on the current article in the GES newsletter by Zane Hodges.

10 Comments:

  • Rose,

    It's always an exciting thing to be the first to evaluate someone's message. You did a responsible job of challenging yourself to think objectively. Thank you for leading the way in this discussion of Zane's new article.

    Michele

    By Blogger Sanctification, at 9/23/2008 10:56 PM  

  • Was I the first? ;~)

    Thanks for visiting, Michelle. You are a nice lady. I respect your attitude a lot.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 9/24/2008 8:11 AM  

  • I can't imagine what it must feel like to be in your shoes. Historically I've been on the giving end and not yours, the receiving. Every time you express what it is you are going through, I learn a lot myself about what it is I have done to others and never want to do again.

    BTW, I still haven't read Zane's piece if you were referring to me. ...I'm trying to restrain myself....

    For the last two days I have been so rejoicing in my private relationship with God. On par though not equal to finding free grace theology. Knowing that there is someone out there who can say "there is such a thing as legalism of belief," is such a deep confirmation for me. Takes away the crazies! :D Praise God for this message even if it has imperfections! Regardless if salvation happens only by 1 cor 15 or something less, the truth remains that the rest of evangelical Christianity is most decidedly, most frequently, too impatient when they use the Word. I myself was this way when I began serving God when "making disciples." I never want to be there ever again. I, still!, love scripture so much that I can barely restrain myself. But I must, because of the cross!!!!

    I will never stop using the Word of God, and I see He appoints each believer to end up using the very things He is teaching us, with others; He does this again and again in you. I praise God for the tremendous blessing that comes by His training to hold my tongue and wait in faith. And it's His Spirit that shows me why it must go according to His timing and not my own self interests.

    Still, I have so far to go. I am nothing like I think I should be.

    Passionately, Michele

    By Blogger Sanctification, at 9/24/2008 4:25 PM  

  • Hi Rose,

    Excellent article.

    By Blogger Earl, at 9/27/2008 10:26 AM  

  • Michelle,
    I don't mind taking heat for the things I pasionately believe in. What I don't appreciate is people giving me heat for things that I am undecided about or "tolerant" of, merely because I don't have the zeal against them that said person giving me the heat has. Thanks again for being a great example of patience.

    Thank you, Earl. :~)

    By Blogger Rose~, at 9/29/2008 11:44 AM  

  • Who can blame you for being sent the other direction? I am recommending to him that he tell you about his intentions, his feelings. I hope you will get some benefit (a slow-down) of the effects you've been experiencing.

    You are doing right by not exerting zeal that you also find offensive when on the receiving end.

    Michele

    By Blogger Sanctification, at 9/29/2008 6:39 PM  

  • Michele,
    (BTW, I am sorry - I realized yesterday that I have been consistently mis-spelling your name by using 2 Ls.)

    You think beyond the surface of these things, which is kind of a rare way of looking at these internet discussions. I think it is thoughtful amd sensitive.

    The effects? It's OK - I am just slightly irritated. ;~) Not too bad. There are real problems that mothers have to face, as you well know.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 9/30/2008 8:26 AM  

  • Rose,

    lol :D

    How humble of you to say that, so plainly. Thank you for doing that.

    I think I felt the tension. You did say "Be challenging! Be charitable! Be nice!" I think I've used up all my challenging-tokens, I need to use the other ones here for awhile. You've got a plate-full right now from the other side anyway. Somebody needs to be supportive of you right now.

    :D

    If I get out of line, you have my permission to give me a swift kick.

    ;) Michele

    (P.S., everybody misspells my name so I hardly notice)

    By Blogger Sanctification, at 9/30/2008 8:11 PM  

  • Hi Rose

    I believe Jesus surprised them by throwing the ball back in their court. They believed Him to be a friend of sinners, so they were trying to trap Him in His words in order to accuse Him. The reason to stone her was to put away sin “you shall put away the evil from among you.” But their very intention was evil to begin with in trying to accuse Him rather than to put away evil. There had to be two or three witnesses “he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness.” And “the hands of the witnesses shall be the first against him to put him to death.” (Deut 17:6-7) Also if the witnesses were false witnesses “then you shall do to him as he thought to have done to his brother” or sister in this case. They were false witnesses in the sense that their motives were evil from the beginning. By casting a stone at her they would be guilty before God, and be condemning themselves. They also new that unintentional sin there was forgiveness for, and when it came to the persons mind they were to make a sacrifice for it to gain forgiveness (Leviticus 4:22,23). In this case their sin had found them out (Numbers 32:23) when Jesus wrote in the sand, and they new it was intentional which would take their own life.
    In this case the law had served it’s purpose in “shutting their mouths.”
    Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be come guilty before God.
    I remember a time when the law shut my mouth, I was reading Romans 1 then came to Romans 2 which stated: Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.
    Proud-boasters-disobedient to parents-unloving: I knew I was guilty of all these things, and still battle them daily….Oh wretched man that Iam who will deliver me from this body of death? The answer…I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
    It’s a moment by moment decision, when I sin I ask for forgiveness not only to God but to those I offend.
    Please forgive me for being unloving to any of you.

    alvin
    time for bed...goodnight

    By Blogger alvin, at 10/02/2008 8:58 AM  

  • Hi Rose

    sorry I posted that last post on the wrong thresd I'll repost it up above.

    By Blogger alvin, at 10/02/2008 9:34 AM  

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