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Friday, May 26, 2006

Minimalist Love Scene?

John and I really like to watch a good movie about once a week at night when the kids are in bed. Over the years, I have seen many things in movies that I wish I had never seen. I really don’t like to watch people kiss on television shows or in movies. It does not deeply disturb me, however. On the other hand, when I see it shown or alluded to (through noises, movements, or facial expressions, for example) that people are having sex in a movie, it completely offends me. I know … what does one expect when one rents some of these films? That is why we have rented less and less of the films with an R rating.

Now, I’m thinking that some of you are probably above this discussion because you would never have viewed an R rated film. I really respect you for that. For the others who have seen some of the types of scenes that I refer to above, you know just what I am talking about. You are sitting there, watching a film and suddenly (usually very suddenly) this sex situation is there. There is often no warning. I have felt like a voyeur when I have witnessed such things in a movie. It is almost as if I am looking into someone’s bedroom window. I really despise the way that Hollywood does this. Many times these scenes are out of nowhere – they have nothing to add to the plot. They are gratuitous sex scenes that cheapen something that is supposed to be special between a husband and a wife.

I say all that to say this:

My husband John and I watched the film Pride and Prejudice last night. It was about romantic love, among other things. Toward the end of the story, there is a love scene. The man is confessing his deep affection for the woman. She responds. It was truly the most powerful love scene I think I have ever seen in a movie. I had goose bumps. It moved me! I then pointed out to my husband that the couple hadn’t even kissed. We were both so amazed by this portrayal of love … it was so well crafted. That is good film-making! I would that more Hollywood film makers would rely on story and skill to portray these powerful human emotions than through allusions to sex.


  • It is great that you are sensitive to sex scenes in movies, Rose~.

    I rarely watch movies these days. They just seem like a waste of time. I could be blogging instead.

    Every Blessing in Christ


    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 5/26/2006 12:43 PM  

  • I know what you mean about the movies, my husband and I were watching a movie the other nite, and it was a good movie, but for the dirty words, in it, that kills a movie for me.

    take care

    By Blogger jel, at 5/26/2006 12:55 PM  

  • Matthew,
    Movies are much more mind-numbing than blogging.

    Every Blessing to you

    I don't like bad language either, but gratuitous sex scenes top my list of movie ruiners.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/26/2006 2:02 PM  

  • Sex, gore, and blasphemy.

    No story is ever "told better" because of the inclusion of any of these.

    By Blogger Daniel, at 5/26/2006 2:19 PM  

  • I agree.

    By Blogger BugBlaster, at 5/26/2006 5:44 PM  

  • Amen . . . good post, Rose!

    Daniel's picture fits the context of his comment perfectly ;~)!

    In Christ,

    Bobby G.

    By Anonymous bobby grow, at 5/26/2006 11:37 PM  

  • I know exactly what you mean. It is what bothers me most in movies, yet it's there. Leave it to Jane Austen to get it right!

    By Blogger The IBEX Scribe, at 5/27/2006 12:44 AM  

  • What's interesting (ok, funny) is to watch a movie with a bunch of Christian friends and then watch the different reactions when a sex scene comes on. Talk about tension!

    By Blogger Jonathan Moorhead, at 5/27/2006 4:55 PM  

  • I bought that movie for my wife and we watched it together.

    Rose and John,

    You two are a blessing!


    By Blogger Bhedr, at 5/27/2006 5:09 PM  

  • The new Pride and Prejudice I loved that movie. My wife and I noticed how much we liked it.

    I have some missionary friends in Indonesia. This looks pretty grim and saddening. I'm going to see where they are located. I pray God is glorified and His name proclaimed throughout Indonesia more and more.

    By Blogger Shawn L, at 5/27/2006 7:04 PM  

  • Did I fall off of the truck again?

    What's going on in Indonesia?

    By Blogger Bhedr, at 5/27/2006 8:18 PM  

  • Huge Earthquake, many people have died. I think it's in the news all over.

    By Blogger Shawn L, at 5/27/2006 9:04 PM  

  • Rose, That sex thing really bothers me too. I hate it. I have not seen that movie yet. If you like it then it must be worth a look.

    Does The Toledo Terror do movie reviews too?


    By Blogger bluecollar, at 5/27/2006 10:24 PM  

  • I watched the movie 'American Pie' with a group of young Christians when I was at university. They were all cheering at the sex and rude stuff.

    I was unsure at the time whether their reaction was acceptable or not.

    Every Blessing in Christ


    By Blogger Dyspraxic Fundamentalist, at 5/28/2006 4:11 AM  

  • Hey Daniel,
    Is that the grapefuuit look or the "I just saw an inappropriate scene in a movie" look? Your statement is well put.

    It is nice to agree!

    Hi Bobby,
    I have one word for you: MacFeever ;~)

    Hellow Angie,
    Jane Austen apparently wrote a good book (that I have never read), but the script writers/producers of the film are to be thanked for doing a fine job in presenting her story.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/28/2006 10:25 PM  

  • Jonathan,
    Yes yes!! I know exactly what you mean. Even with unsaved family members you get the same tension. I don't like to watch these films anymore. It is most uncomfortable.

    Hi Brian,
    Did your wife like it? Did you? Had she read the book - is that why you bought the film? Thanks for the kind words.

    Hi Shawn,
    Yes, the earthquake is quite terrible. I hope your friends are OK.

    Hello Mark,
    The Toeldo Terror doesn't really do movie reviews ... but I will gladly offer my opinion on any movie I watch. (surprise surprise!)

    I have not seen that movie ... it sounds like I am better off for its exclusion! That is intersting how the other Christians reacted to the film. I am not sure I get it ... odd. I am certain that you, being the gentlemen you are, did not cheer. :~) ;~)

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/28/2006 10:31 PM  

  • "Hello Mark,
    The Toeldo Terror doesn't really do movie reviews"

    The "Toeldo" Terror???????????

    By Blogger bluecollar, at 5/28/2006 10:41 PM  

  • Mark,
    It is late and I had a big day!

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/28/2006 10:59 PM  

  • I got it for my wife. She just wanted it. I don't know if she read the book or not.

    Last night we watched a new movie based on a Charles Dickens Novel. It was excellent. I may watch it again. We kinda like movies taken from that erra and with those nuances in them.

    It is indeed distressing that we as believers can rationalize watching movies like American Pie or Davinci Code. I don't know which one would be worse to rationalize watching.

    By Blogger Bhedr, at 5/29/2006 9:52 AM  

  • Rose,

    I'm a bit late to this discussion (sorry...been unable to catch up on blog reading for a few days now that I'm in rehearsals for a show), but wanted to comment on this.

    First of all, I'm with you completely on this topic. I hate sex scenes in movies for all the reasons you mentioned.

    At any rate, because we try to have a weekly family night where we rent movies and watch them with our son, we decided to go with Clean Films. We have been renting from them for a about a year, and recently made the switch to Clean Flicks, only because of a guaranteed availability in the order we want them. But either service provides excellent editing and makes just about any movie enjoyable without having that "with no warning" sinking feeling when something comes on.

    (I gain nothing from this endorsement, by the way. Just wanted to share brother-to-sister something that's available!)

    steve :)

    By Blogger Steve Sensenig, at 5/29/2006 10:49 AM  

  • Hey Rose and thanks Steve for the link. Last year we rented from Clean films. We will have to look into the Clean flicks.


    Incidentely that discomfort that should be natural for women and men to be uncomfortable with was in the Charles Dickens movie. The men didn't get rank around the table, but they talked shamefully towards the sister of Nicholas and it showed clearly how wrong it is for women to be subjected to such sinful talk and guady humor as well. I actually had my son watch the movie and told him never to treat a woman like that and to not even use bathroom humor around women. It grieves me what they hear on the school buses today. WE talk at home about this as well. Oh let us pray for our children. It is only getting worse. Especially when Bible believing Christians and pasors rationalize a movie like Davinci Code that puts Christ to an open shame and tramples on the blood of the covanent. Even one of my favorite preachers to my horror went to see it and encouraged others to do so. Lord forgive us. How far are we going? We may rationalize now, but later the Holy Spirit will let his grieving be known and we will feel defiled, wishing our eyes had not witnessed what so despised Him. Oh save yourselves the hurt later and now decide not to watch the Davinci Code.

    BTW, The good Movie is Nicholas Nicolby. It is a good movie.

    By Blogger Bhedr, at 5/29/2006 1:11 PM  

  • Btw,

    I only say this because as a youth I would watch movies of Demonic origin much like Davinci Code and later wonder how God could forgive me...thinking myself to be like Esau and despising the birthright. Oh save yourself the anguish that will later come as a result. Trust me when I say this, as I only wish the best for your health of soul. Nevertheless if you already have watched it and at a later day find yourself feeling condemned; know that the blood of Christ will cleanse the vilest of sins and rest in the Person of Christ.

    By Blogger Bhedr, at 5/29/2006 1:16 PM  

  • Yes, Brian, that is a good movie.

    Rose, if you want a beautiful love story watch Victoria & Albert. It's about Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. I have to say that it is one of my absolute favorites.

    By Blogger The IBEX Scribe, at 5/29/2006 2:06 PM  

  • Oh, disclaimer on Victoria & Albert. There is a very brief sex scene in it, but it is not gratuitous. It is an adulterous relationship depicted and is very strongly condemned.

    By Blogger The IBEX Scribe, at 5/29/2006 2:10 PM  

  • Brian,
    That sounds like a good one. Thanks for the recommendation.

    Hi Steve!
    Thank YOU for that link. I am very interested in that.

    I wrote that title down. Thanks.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/30/2006 1:31 PM  

  • Brian,
    I had watched many movies that were very very bad also as a youth. I have never questioned whether God forgave me for that. There is nothing of this nature that He will not forgive! There are still consequences, though, and that is the kicker.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/30/2006 1:33 PM  

  • Well, if they would use scripts based on works as well written as "Pride and Prejudice", there might be a chance they wouldn't just go for the easy: "take off your clothes, let's get some soft lighting in here and use creative camera angles so we don't have to use too many body doubles or do too much air-brushing".

    By Blogger Jeff H, at 5/30/2006 2:29 PM  

  • Good point, Jeff. Thanks for the visit.

    By Blogger Rose~, at 5/31/2006 11:24 AM  

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